you right benny, stupidity is the main reason, the hard bit comes when stupid people have access to weapons able to destroy and kill thousands of people ...
Well you are quite the prophet of doom arent you gila ?
You think that what Israel has to offer these people the Palestians etc is so much better. Or maybe you advocate USA control . ( One and thesame really) What is very interesting about Lebanon / Iran /Syria is that all yes all . are free of the blood money from USA They are independant . I find that great . They wish to saty that way . I find that also great . Not everyone worships Bush etc or Israel .
As for Palestine . You dont seem to care about these people and how they have been treated for years ........ Once again i ask , just out of interest as to where you are from . As said before I am Anglo / Irish and lived these last 19years in Germany .
Nobody wants armed groups BUT ask why they form in 1st palve and most of us dont want armies either . Now they really are evil . Or maybe you havent seen teh records of torture and murder by US troops in Iraq ! You seem so obsessed with one small group as opposed to the broader picture .
You cant understand US/ Israel link! Think money ,think power, think mega arms mostly illegal ,think veto ,think 68 un resolutions flouted and still tell me you cant see... No way .Well there are many Iranians here who are able to return and visit relatives etc and same with Syria . Try getting in USA with an islamic name . Iran is thriving and although not USA style 'democracy ' has a vote system and health care and good level of most things . As does Syria . Er many of us see Bush dynasty as a regime . Palestine I mentioned as you had talked of PLO Why did we ever have PLO ??? Israel is never out of Gaza Spare me !. Talk about the bully boys of the world Dont supoose you have lived all your life in a camp Wake up !
By the way the IRA have still not decommissioned their arms BUT i repeat UK does not bomb Dublin or Cork or make life a living hell for any Irish coming into UK.I read the Jerusalem Times etc and read the ugly comments made and cringe for humanity .
When it comes to being Fundamentalist Israel takes some beating .I remind you of the following :-
Rabbi Perrin who said ' one million Arabs are not worth a Jewish finger nail "
The really great PM Yitzhak Rabin who was assinated by a right wing activist Err think thats a fundamentalist .Why did it happen`? we all know .
Cos he came so close to peace and so many of the wrong sort in Israel did not want that .Not when it meant a) giving land back and b ) leaving others alone .
I wish you well . Read History both sides .
Coveniently forgotton and a stain which shows up the underlying trend .
I wish you luck .
I say this Leave lebanon in peace and the Hizbollah will go . So they have their arms As i have said do the IRA . But they dont have nuclear nor phosphorous cluster bombs Liek some i could name .
You still havent said where you are from Interesting that .
You speak of Iran and Syria disrupting Lebanon, well let me inform you Isreal has hijacked my countries foreign policy and media. Most Americans are not even aware(or they are simply too busy to care) the control Isreali lobby and Isreali PR groups has over the one sided reports we see. Please~if you want to talk about Iran and Syria in Lebanon~then who was America siding with when they were sent to Lebanon. No not the shiites, but Geymal and Isreal. ei Sabra and Shatilla massecre. The American policy helped stir the hornets nest and continue to this day. America must first take responsibility, including my fellow Americans for allowing tax dollars to be used for Isreals killing machine. Enough about Iran and Syria ~ it starts with my country America.
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Click on the link, CRS summary of all aid policies as well as dollar amounts and weapons sent to Israel since Truman. Intersting reading, sad but true Martha, we are to blame. I wrote my senators this morning after Annan told Isarel to stop the blockade and keep pulling out and tey hemmed and hawed about Hezbollah. I told Durbin and Obama I want an immediate halt to all aid, weapons, favored nation status and perks to Israel until Palestine is settled (or unsettled by the Isarelis as the case may be) the Gaza border crossings are opened and free of Israeli interference, the Lebanon problem is solved and the Isarelis are on their side of a newly recognized Palestinian State with Lebanon's borders clearly demarked to include the Shebaa Farms from which Israel must also withdraw. Might as well throw in he Golan Heights as well and be done with it all once and for all.
Americans have to stand up for themselves and what they believe in. I told the senators cover up the Statue of Liberty, we don't deserve to have her in our harbor anymore.
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do you honestly believe that lebanon needs help from iran or syria to have problems with what israel is doing?
or that without the plo they would be saints in the eyes of palestinian refugees?
Gila you have hit the nail on the head. There must be a leader in Lebanon who can see through all of the political retoric and thurst for the truth for his or her people.
you people are both completely ignorant of lebanese politics.
the lebanese right has huge problems with hezbollah. they were totally discredited however when the americans they put so much faith in betrayed them and did not utter a word to israel to try and stop all of this.
you people have a lot of nerve telling lebanese people what to do when we've rendered them so powerless.
Oh Nadia .... I didn't want to assume where you are from . I mean whats in a name ?
Your choice of words "WHEN WE'VE RENDERED THEM SO POWERLESS " Are you a bomber pilot , a foot soldier a fanatical supporter of theft Whatever ,your words would have made you a prime candidate for a certain group who roamed the streets here in the 30's .... Go back to your hate and small mindedness. Then maybe try reading history .
Sona was right about your kind .
nadia please where are you 'coming from' ? If i have misunderstood your comments I apologize . But your choice of words does lead to a double meaning. Who do you mean has" rendered then so powerless?
WHO = we -----WHO = them
I would be glad if you could clarify . For sure one thing is true
Most want peace . It will never be achieved with weapons only with dialogue .
We have to be open to all views in debate but surely never one that supports rendering people powerless. . Maybe i have misread . So can you explain .
Pax (and this is meant )
Helena
Your use of the term 'islamic fundamentalism' shows just how much you follow the media's interpretations of political situations. To be a funtamentalist is to strictly adhere to set of principles. So, to be an islamic fundamentalist is to follow the principles and teachings of Isalm. And if you know anything about Islam, then you would know that violence is not a part of it.
Many similar terms like this are thrown around my the media and lapped up by the gullible. Just because everyone is using the terms, DOES NOT MAKE IT OK. If, you are as open minded as you say you are then you will understand my point.
Wow Helena calm down. People like the above are called square heads; they only know what their corrupt government tells them through their corrupt media. Believe me people like that, you will never get through to them. They are the type of people, who will look at the tone of my skin, and ask me if I am a terrorist. Relax. They are the ignorent and the arrogent, who have no concept of living in the middle of a war, because their govermnent makes sure that they start war somewhere else. Have a good day. Thanks for protecting my wonderful people in Lebanon. Oh, and by the way, Hizbollah will never disarm! Why should they? No one has protected that region in 40 yrs, why should they trust anyone now!
Hi Sona and lol you are great . No am calm thats just me ...... but do my homework and facts first then say Ever the teacher lol. Bullies need telling . Hizbollah are resistance in many eyes .. I agree with you Whilst Isarel has all the hardware under the sun what are a few rockets ? Look up Sandy Tolan on Gaza in Google search . Brilliant writing and boy he spells it out to these types . Its great standing with you folk None of of are 'chosen' We are merely there for each other . As you were born there I was born in Uk . neither of us had any say in the matter . So i take no credit . I only know you are a fellow human being and we're therefore party of the same big family . Nice meeting you .Stay well and keep on in solidarity
pax Helena
Exactly, why should they disarm? Isreal pulls its covert operation in ballback~not even a slap on the hand. Isreal continues to cross over the border at night in the south~not even a mention. Only the people mention it. They fly their F16(sorry Americas), Apaches, and their drones continue to fly into Lebanon. Isreal will continue to send the Mossad into Lebanon for targeted assasinations, they will continue to fly over, and send drones. Isreal DOES NOT want peace, so why should Hez disarm. The Lebanese army cannot protect the south from Isreals breach and arrogance. I am so sick of hearing they must disarm. Should they disarm so Isreal can do whatever it wishes with south Lebanon? By the way, freedom in America does not allow me to debate this issue.
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here's an idea...disarm and join the lebanese army and make them stronger and have one voice, instead of acting like a state within a state.. and I AM Lebanese and I am sick of all this freken bullshit. Hizballah should disarm, for the sake of our country and people and economy and life and peace...ONE ARMY, ONE VOICE, ONE GOVERNMENT, ONE PEOPLE for Lebanon!
Benny and Emil and all who love peace, Yes, stupidity, in that Israel totally underestimated Hizbollah's power, but it seems their government and/or military also undervalued Lebanese civilian life. But please, we MUST remember that governments are not all the people of their countries, even in democracies. Other reasons for war include power grabbing and greed. How very sad! May God (whomever you believe to be) bless the Lebanese civilians and and those who are peace loving all over this earth.
All what has happened in our beloved country 'Lebanon' and all what is happening in the Middle East has reminded me of John Pilger's amazing novel 'The New Rulers of the World'. He is one of the world's most renowed journalists and documentary film-makers. He reveals the secrets and illusions of modern imperialism. Beginning with Indonesia, he shows how General Suharto's bloody seizure of power in the 1960s was part of a western design to impose a 'global economy' on Asia. In a shocking chapter on Iraq, he allows us to understand the true nature of the West's war against the people of that country. And he dissects, piece by piece, the propaganda of the 'war on terror' to expose its Orwellian truth.
He is a great journalist with utmost consciencioustness, bravery and courage. Please read a selection of his work...which might help us in understanding the underlying reasons behind the war...
'When American Vice-President Dick Cheney said that the 'war on terrorism' could last for fifty years or more, his works evoked George Orwell's great prophetic work, Nineteen Eighty Four. We are to live with the great threat and illusion of endless war, it seems, in order to justify increased social control and state repression, while great power pusues its goal of global supremacy.
In the novel, three slogans dominate society: war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Today's slogan, 'war on terrorism', also reverses meaning. The war is terrorism. The most potent weapon in this war is pseudo-information, different only in form from that Orwell described, consigning to oblivion unacceptable truths and historical sense. Dissent is permissible within 'consensual' boundaries, reinforcing the illusion that information and speech are 'free'.
The attacks of September 11, 2001 did not 'change everything', but accelerated the continuity of events, providing an extraordinary pretext for destroying social demcracy. The undermining of the Bill of Rights in the United States and the further dismantling of trial by jury in Britain and a plethors of related civil liberties are part of the reduction between indistinguishable parties for the management of a single-ideology state.
The 'global economy' is their most important media enterprise. 'Global Economy' is a modern Orwellian term. On the surface, it is instant financial trading, mobile phones, McDonald's, Starbucks, holidays booked on the net. Beneath this gloss, it is the globalization of poverty, a world where most human beings never make a phone call and live with less than two dollars a day, where 6,000 children die every day from diarrhoea because most have no access to clean water.
In this world, unsen by most of us in the global north, a sophisticated system of plunder has forced more than ninety countries into 'structural adjustment' programs since the eighties, widening the divide between risch and poor as never before. This is known as 'nation building' and 'good governance' by the 'quad' dominating the World Trade Organization (the United States, Europe, Canada and Japan) and the Washington triumvirate (the WorldBank, the IMF and the US treasury) but controls even minute aspects of government policy in developing countries. Their power derives largely from an unrepayable debt that forces the poorest countries to pay $100 million to western creditors every day. The result is a world where an elite of fewer than a bilion peole controls 80 percent of humanity's wealth.
Promoting this are the transnational media corporations, American and European, that own or manage the world's principal sources of news and information. They have transformed much of the 'information society' into a media age where exraordinary technology allows the incessant repition of 'politically' safe information that is acceptable to the 'nation builders'. In the West, we are trained to view other societies in terms of their usefulness or threat to 'us' and to regard 'cultural differences' as more important than the political and economic forces by which we judge ourselves. Those with unprecedented resources to understand this, including many who teach and research in the great universities, suppress their knowledge publicly; perhaps never before has there been such a silence.'